Pesidents is decent . They keep it in good shape . It could be a little cheaper . there are alot of places on the course where stray shots can fly by you on your fairway , but i don't know what management can do about that , except maybe some more trees . note that there's no nine hole rate . overall for a city course it's worth it. you may run into some grumpy people at the counter in the tiny pro shop , they gotta lighten up .