We were there to trade in a leased car, one we leased from them. We were a month early on the lease, so were just looking. Got the same salesman from before, one we referred friends to (never saw the birddog for those). They said we were upside down and would have to add the difference to the new car, something like $5,000. We ended up getting the car we wanted at Tacoma Subaru for $7,000 less than Walkers and none of the frustration.